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Posted: **Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:48 am**

Flying Officer William Jack Allingham, (J/27959) from Colton, California, R.A.F. No. 178 Sqdn, Killed in Action on May 5, 1944, flying a Consolidated Liberator, the question being is RCAF Association and Royal Air Force Command states the Liberator aircraft serial No. as AZ930,

When you research that serial No. AZ930, it comes up as a Bristol Blenheim (https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Blenheim/Br ... H4570.html)

A fellow American was Killed in Action, June 7, 1944, Flying Officer Ethan Allen, (J/21435) Tajunga, California, R.A.F. No. 224 Sqdn, flying Consolidated Liberator BZ942, Aircraft while attacking U-boat U-989, shot down by subs gun.

Would the R.A.F. assign two entirely different airframes with the same Serial No. ???

Is there a chance that the aircraft that F/O W.J. Allingham was shot down in, the actual serial No. should be BZ930 ???

Appreciate any info that can help solve this, if possible !

Cheers

George

Posted: **Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:10 pm**

georgetanksherman wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:48 am
Flying Officer William Jack Allingham, (J/27959) from Colton, California, R.A.F. No. 178 Sqdn, Killed in Action on May 5, 1944, flying a Consolidated Liberator, the question being is RCAF Association and Royal Air Force Command states the Liberator aircraft serial No. as AZ930,

When you research that serial No. AZ930, it comes up as a Bristol Blenheim (https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Blenheim/Br ... H4570.html)

A fellow American was Killed in Action, June 7, 1944, Flying Officer Ethan Allen, (J/21435) Tajunga, California, R.A.F. No. 224 Sqdn, flying Consolidated Liberator BZ942, Aircraft while attacking U-boat U-989, shot down by subs gun.

Would the R.A.F. assign two entirely different airframes with the same Serial No. ???

Is there a chance that the aircraft that F/O W.J. Allingham was shot down in, the actual serial No. should be BZ930 ???

Appreciate any info that can help solve this, if possible !

Cheers

George

Hey George, just back from an Alaska cruise, so now I’ll jump on this and see what I can find. As far as I know each and every aircraft had a unique “Serial No” and I do not recall seeing different aircraft or aircraft types with the same number in all my research. NOW, Squadron codes are a different matter, the same Squadron Code could be used for “multiple airframes” (never at the same time) and “aircraft types”, normally in the same Squadron.

So Let me check the other information above out and see what I can find

Posted: **Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:47 pm**

georgetanksherman wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:48 am
Flying Officer William Jack Allingham, (J/27959) from Colton, California, R.A.F. No. 178 Sqdn, Killed in Action on May 5, 1944, flying a Consolidated Liberator, the question being is RCAF Association and Royal Air Force Command states the Liberator aircraft serial No. as AZ930,

George, info on Alllingham. Aircraft Serial was actually BZ 930

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And from these records you can see the aircraft landed safely, but F/0 Allingham died of wounds on the return trip

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Posted: **Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:42 am**

Temujin,

Debbie wants to know if you saw any whales

and we both hope you had a good time, Thanks for clearing that up, I figured that was the case, but I wanted to make sure, especially since they were say AZ930 was a Bristol Product and not Consolidated.

I knew that if an aircraft was lost, the aircraft replacing it would receive the squadron codes of the fallen aircraft, and I did think the serial numbers were specific to an airframe, so I thought I would ask to make sure my thinking was correct.

And as always, Thank You for the help and guidance

Cheers

George

Posted: **Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:22 pm**

georgetanksherman wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:42 am
Temujin,

Debbie wants to know if you saw any whales and we both hope you had a good time, Thanks for clearing that up, I figured that was the case, but I wanted to make sure, especially since they were say AZ930 was a Bristol Product and not Consolidated.

I knew that if an aircraft was lost, the aircraft replacing it would receive the squadron codes of the fallen aircraft, and I did think the serial numbers were specific to an airframe, so I thought I would ask to make sure my thinking was correct.

And as always, Thank You for the help and guidance

Cheers

George

YES, some far away, others as close as 100 feet to the ship. A very nice trip, and first one in over 2 years of course

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